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https://doi.org/10.5194/npg-32-51-2025
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Assessing Lagrangian coherence in atmospheric blocking
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This paper describes the use of a technique, developed by extending and adapting the procedures in Banish and Koltai (2017) to the analysis of atmospheric blocking. Two particular study cases are analysed in detail. The paper is interesting, well written, and represents a valuable contribution to the characterization and understanding of blocking events. Particularly interesting is the Lagrangian identification and three-dimensional characterization of warm conveyor belts, and its influence on blocking formation.
The methodology, as recognized in the paper, is certainly complex. Fortunately, the authors provide Python code implementing it, available via pypi.org/project/GeoCS/. In general, the procedures are described in detail and established with rigour. There are many tunable parameters for which choices have to be made (alpha, kappa, r, epsilon, …), which are justified by the authors. In my opinion, however, there is still one point in the methodology that remains weakly justified: One crucial point in the identification of coherent sets is the choice of the eigenvectors selected to perform the clustering. In all cases (e.g. Fig. 5a) the spectral gap after which eigenvalues are neglected is very weak, as the authors recognize. Thus, still there is some doubt about the extent on which the identified air masses can be called ‘coherent’, and what would be the difference if other choice of eigenvalues is done. I propose the authors to give a quantitative measure of the ‘coherence’ attained by all or of some of the detected sets (at least the most relevant, and for some choice of initial and final time) by assessing to which extent Eq. (1) is really satisfied by the sets (at least to some level of approximation). I imagine several more or less direct ways to check Eq. (1), although other quantitative assessments of coherence can also be given in terms of Cheeger ratios (Froyland, 2015) or other metrics (Froyland, 2013) that are expected to be optimized. In summary, I think the paper would be suitable for publication if the authors provide some extra evidence that the detected sets are really ‘coherent’ or at least significantly more ‘coherent’ than sets evolved, for example, from initial patches selected just by spatial proximity.
Other minor points:
- The bibliography is rather complete. However I think there are still a few papers related to this topic that consider either coherence or diabatic heating in blockings from the Lagrangian point of view and that can complete the reference list and being properly cited. Among them I suggest: Ehstand, N. et al.: Characteristic signatures of Northern Hemisphere blocking events in a Lagrangian flow network representation of the atmospheric circulation, Chaos 31, 093128 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0057409. Zschenderlein, P. et al.: A Lagrangian analysis of upper-tropospheric anticyclones associated with heat waves in Europe, Weather Clim. Dynam., 1, 191–206 (2020). https://doi.org/10.5194/wcd-1-191-2020.
- page 7, line 191: please rewrite this sentence to clarify to which set the expression ‘this boundary set’ refers to.
- page 13, line 367: I think ‘placed in a regular three-dimensional grid’ should be rather ‘placed close to a regular three-dimensional grid’, since Sect. 3.2 states that some random displacements are applied.
- page 17, line 441: P_epsilon,t is substochastic, not stochastic.
- To help the readers, please indicate in the captions of Figures S3 and S4 the pertinence to the Canadian or to the European case of the different panels.